So then, what is your opinion on the Actor for Elliot saying that Elliot used to be apart of a Star Gate team from the Stargate: SG1 series?
I love it. LOVE IT. It fixes literally the only flaw that I actually cared about in the show.
The thing that made my eye twitch a little bit in the first couple of seasons of Leverage was the hacking – the ‘I know he’s a Super Genius, but the hardware for what he’s doing with that flip phone literally cannot do what they’re doing’.
But if it’s in the Stargate universe, then of course some of that advanced tech has slipped unnoticed into the private sector. Boom! Suspension of disbelief now fully back in play.
(SG:1 was my main obsession for years – including a decade of playing in and running a Stargate online game (OCs). It was before I’d gotten back into any kind of online fandom, mind you, so I didn’t do fic, but nevertheless! My screen-correct gate team jacket – the style Daniel’s wearing in the top gif – is still my favourite piece of cosplay ever.)
It also means that Hardison, knowingly or unknowingly, has forced Eliot to sit through episodes of Wormhole X-Treme.
And that is everything to me.
Both. So very both. So Hardison absolutely did it accidentally to complain about the special effects/plot implausibility at some point. And then after the Gone Fishin’ Job and probably after the trio gets together, he FINALLY figures it out.
Probably tries hacking the Mountain, too, now that I think about it. Given Hardison I’m not even placing odds either way.
Anyway picture it: it’s been a year or two since Alec last inflicted Wormhole X-Treme on Eliot, who thought he was safe from That Goddamn Show. And then one TV night becomes one marathon session of That Goddamn Show and literally the only saving grace for his nerves is that Alec’s poker face is not, and his shit-eating grin keeps sneaking out.
Usually, Eliot thinks, when he’s picturing Eliot doing the shit on the show.
I’m now convinced Sam Carter called up Eliot more than once and said “Spencer, could you please convince your boyfriend to stop trying to hack us? If he keeps this up it’s either we recruit him or jail and I don’t want to deal with your girlfriend and Vala getting into shit. Teal’c says hi, by the way.”
“What are you talking about? Parker, this is your job!”
“Something came up. Don’t worry, you’ll do fine.”
“Hardison can do it. I have my own job.”
“He’s claustrophobic. I’ll walk you through it. I’m in the van, so I can follow you on the computers.”
“I got your back, man. You concentrate on breaking in.”
Parker’s voice murmured in their ears as Eliot and Hardison moved into their new places. It was obvious that she was working through the computer systems, and locks opened as they approached.
Eliot slid into the vents and Hardison listened as Parker walked him through the grab. The timing was off – of course it was, and he’d never imply that Eliot wasn’t doing a great job. But the timing difference meant that they were more likely to meet with resistance.
“You there!”
Eliot came around the corner at a run. With the delicate nature of the item he was carrying, he couldn’t fight off the pursuers himself. Hardison stepped up as Eliot went by and grinned at the security men who followed.
One came at him while the other two tried to circle and keep chasing Eliot. Hardison knew he could do this fast because he had been given permission to fight dirty. He ducked the man’s swing and came up to head butt him in the balls.
The others turned, and Hardison had two on one. He kept his back to the wall so they couldn’t surprise him and did a lot of ducking and kicking. When the sprinklers came on suddenly, it was enough of a surprise for him to chop each of them in the neck and get away.
They back at the van and there were victory hugs all around.
“All right,” Nate said in their ears. “Good work. Time to get the dog back to the ex-wife.”
so everyone likes to talk about that moment in the beginning of The Rundown Job when Hardison and Eliot high-five each other and grin while Parker flips over lasers to steal the diamonds
but has the fandom taken a moment to consider the look on Eliot and Parker’s faces in the moment before that when Hardison is doing his Tony Stark hacking into the vault thing
If I can’t guess, or I think it’s several characters, are you willing to tell? Pretty please?
There are a lot it could apply to to different degrees. Off the top of my head?
Complex PTSD is different from regular PTSD in that it happens when a person is trapped in a situation, unable to escape, for a prolonged period of time. So you adapt in order to survive, usually in ways that are not terribly healthy in any kind of normal environment. It affects your entire development.
People with CPTSD also don’t have the kind of flashbacks that you see in regular PTSD – we have EMOTIONAL flashbacks (which are confusing and hard to identify and it takes practice).
I’ve yelled at people and then had to apologize because I did not
realize I was having a flashback. I am fortunate in that I live with
people who are very supportive and good at helping me recognize what’s
going on – but that usually doesn’t happen in fiction.
Anakin Skywalker – Ani actually had a good mom, but that isn’t enough to negate the fact he was enslaved for the first 9 years of his life and then the Jedi Order did nothing useful at all in terms of How To Deal With Your Feelings. It’s no wonder he latches onto Padme the way he does. He also exhibits emotional dysregulation which definitely happens when nobody in a safe environment has been able to show you healthy ways of dealing with feelings and how to express them. It’s also why Palpatine is able to manipulate him.
Harry Potter – People complain about Harry’s recklessness – people with CPTSD often don’t have the best self-preservation because a lot of times they don’t see themselves as someone who deserves to exist – or go “LOL, Harry’s so dense” when he grew up in an environment that punished him for succeeding and nobody ever protected him. It really does not help that he’s sent back to the Dursleys every summer to continue compounding the trauma.
Severus Snape – I KNOW, okay, I am not interested in arguing about this. I’m going to point out that brains do WEIRD SHIT when you’re having a flashback – which is what I think happened during the whole Snape’s Worst Memory thing – and you can react in unpredictable ways. (Feeling helpless to that extent would be VERY BAD for *me* and I am not entirely sure what I would do either.)
I would also make the argument that there’s no definitive textual evidence that he wanted to date Lily or have sex with Lily. Latching onto Favorite Person Who Doesn’t Think I’m Scum can just as easily apply to a best friend. I would distraught if my best friend decided to date one of the people who hurt me.
And I’m reiterating this because I do not feel like yelling at anybody over it later: I’m not saying “Everything they did was fine because they were abused” I’m saying “Because this person was abused and did not have healthy behaviors modeled for them, they literally do not know how to react another way, mental illness SUCKS, so maybe consider having some compassion".
Obi-Wan Kenobi has CPTSD so bad that he will literally flirt full-bore with people who are TRYING TO KILL HIM, ACTIVELY TRYING TO KILL HIM, because the response he gets is still preferable from basically everyone else in his life who dump a constant stream of disapproval, or far too many responsibilities to be normal, onto his head, and then are unhappy when he solves those problems anyway.
Ahsoka Tano was given a strategic, constant command in a three-year war at age 14 in which billions died. I wonder how fucking awful her CPTSD is.
just becuase, have a chunk of the SW/Leverage oneshot ficlet I’m working on.
It was a small apartment, even by Coruscant standards. The bed was stowed upright in its
alcove, but even so, there was barely
enough room for the five of them. Parker
and Elliot sat on the little countertop between the living area and what could
laughably be termed a kitchenette. Nate glanced over at the two of them to make
sure nothing was about to explode or erupt into friendly fisticuffs.
Really, they’d calmed down a lot since the group had gotten
together three years ago, but it was habit.
Zabrak weren’t known for their patience, and Parker took that to a whole
new level. She also liked explosions, the bigger the better. And jewelry. Parker was an excellent thief,
as well as an arsonist, which was why Nate had picked her in the first place.
Elliot didn’t tend to start fights, Nate had to admit. Like
all Mandalorians though, he wasn’t shy about finishing them. Given the banthashit that had gone down on
Mandalore two decades ago, the Togruta was as likely to get into a brawl with
other Mandalorians as anyone else, and Nate couldn’t blame him.
Hardison sat hunched over at the little caf table, running
through their security again. Dex had
offered the use of his diner for the meeting, but they all preferred to run
their own security. Or rather, have Hardison run their security.
Sophie lounged back in the small couch. “They’re late.”
“Give it another two minutes,” Nate said.
“He’s here, just entered the building,” Hardison said,
looking at his screen, eyes wide. He
gave a low whistle. “Daaaamn. No wonder Dex told us not to kill him on sight.”
“How do you know he’s the guy?” Parker asked.
Hardison swiveled the screen around so Parker could see the
cloaked figure. “Because that, my facial recognition software tells me, is Obi-Wan Kenobi.”
When the show Stargate SG1 ended, the Stargate was dismantled and thrown away in a dumpster on the lot. John Rogers, creator/writer/director/producer of Leverage, was shocked and dismayed to discover its final resting place. Not one to let such travesties pass, he rescued the Stargate pieces from the dumpster and kept them. Later, in an episode of Leverage, the season 4 finale, The Last Dam Job, he made use of the pieces, by sticking them up on several walls as pieces of art in a vault of someone’s prized possessions.
The Stargate lives on and is well loved.
Someone please stop me from trying to fold Eliot into Star somehow. @dogmatix doesn’t have internet and she’s like that last 10% of my self control that keeps me from making REALLY dumb writing attempts.
(the rest of the time she’s cackling and egging me on. Though to be fair it’s not like I do any differently)
I was thinking…. I can’t find the actual quote for the life of me, but doesn’t Eliot basically state that America abandoned him in some hell prison and that’s why he left the military?
So, what’s to say that hell prison was on Earth? He either escaped, got back to the gate and then left the program (I’m thinking he was the only member of his team that made it out), or he didn’t have his teams GDO so he had to hop gates until he could get to an allied world, THEN he left the program.
A point of recontact with the program could be him spotting the above in that vault there and having Parker snatch what are obviously gate address panels and fedexing them to the mountain.
On the subject of his team… Sophie knows about the gate. She never left Earth, but she totally snuck her way into the mountain as, like, one of the psychologists assigned to the gate teams? IDK, that seems like the best place for her to have gotten in, since I don’t think she could have kept up a scientific or anthro/archeo role for more than a few days without having her cover blown…
I’m sure Hardison has found a few ‘interesting’ files over the years, but even he hasn’t tried to mess with the terrifying levels of encryption on
Cheyenne
Mountain. So he knows the gov is Up To Something there, but isn’t quite willing to risk being shoved in a windowless box for the rest of his life to find out what. Yet.
Parker totally knows about the gate and aliens. No one knows how, or when she found out, but she knows. (Parker is possibly the only survivor of a ship that crashed somewhere in the Midwest. She was found at an assumed age of four-ish and shuffled into the foster care system when no family could be located.)
Nate… Well, he knows kind of obliquely that there is something odd going on in Colorado, but not the same way the others do. Archaeologists and anthropologists often have contact with things of great rarity and value, things that require insuring. He knew people, and when several of them took jobs in Colorado Springs out of the blue and pretty much fell off the academic map, he noticed. He doesn’t know why they did, not yet, but he made a mental note.
On the subject of Star though… Omg, Clones would ADORE Eliot. Eliot is like the most Mandalorian person on Earth. I dearly want to see the Leverage team meeting Clones now…
This is all AWESOME and I really hope someone runs with the plunnie because daaaaaamn, this sounds fascinating.
As for Star, I might admit to occasionally flirting with the notion of a side crossover for shits and giggles. No serious clone presence yet, though. ^_^;;
Remember that awesome post where we all saw the Stargate plates up on the walls behind Victor Dubenich? And how excited we all were that the crew of Leverage were such massive Stargate geeks?
I was listening to the commentary for The Last Dam Job yesterday, and apparently, during the team break, John Rogers et al were actually going to have Eliot in the uniform going through the gate saying, “Okay, just one last time,” and the only reason this didn’t happen was because the Stargate set got dismantled.
So, this means that in Rogers et al’s headcanon:
a) Stargate and Leverage take place in the same universe, and
b) Eliot has been through the gate before! Eliot has seen many things that not even Hardison has seen! Eliot is probably friendly with Teal’c, and has definitely said “Dammit, Jackson!” more than once!
#i’m always here for eliot’s transparent attempts at pretending he has dignity and is not a complete dork#‘no i don’t want an eliot signal i’m not a nerd like you….. what- what would be on this hypothetical signal’#‘can it be a wolf maybe’
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