Tag: highlander
I’ve been just watching Revelation 6:8, rather than pausing to liveblog stuff from it. And considering.
I have a piece from six years ago that was an unfinished HLH shortcuts piece, and I think I may see about figuring out where I was going with it to finish it, beyond introducing two Immortals beyond the Horsemen into the equation, and removing Cassandra. And if HLH happens again this year (and I have no reason to think it won’t), I can see if the piece either fits what the person I’m writing for would enjoy, or, if not, I might offer it up as a gift to the whole group.
Or I just finish it and post it.
Either way, I think I’m going to enjoy figuring out where it’s going, and how to make it work, and just how it’s going to change the balance of the world. And also, what role Dracula plays (he being one of the two Immortals who are brought into this), as he’s had less a role so far than the other Immortal.
(I may take the other one I have with Dracula and see how I might combine the two. Or at least incorporate the parts from the other one into this one, that don’t contradict what I already have.)
Highlander liveblogging
Continuing from yesterday, starting with the scene where Methos returns to where Kronos is staying. Also known as Methos is a little shit, and Kronos demonstrates he is sometimes really blind to some nuances of human nature. Like, don’t ask Methos to kill his friends. It’s dangerous.
Below a cut because this is getting long. It has a lot of dialogue I like.
… And here is where I want to drop a nice anvil on MacLeod. Although this is another bit with some favored lines. Under cut for length.
Nope, more anvils. Joe does make things better.
(And I know there’s a lot missing, because all this is transcribing is the dialogue, and the actions and everything do add nuance.)
“Joe, you can’t defend it.”
“I’m not defending it. I’m trying to understand it.”
“What’s there to understand? When he rode into a village, there was life. When he rode out, there wasn’t.”
“No. You weren’t there. Different times, MacLeod. Different rules, different morals. You can’t compare it.”
“I won’t compare it, and I can’t excuse it.”
“Yeah. How many men have you killed? How much blood have you shed in anger?”
“No. No. I know what I’ve done, and I live with it. But I’m telling you, this is different.”
“What the hell are you talking about?”
“I’m talking about a bunch of murdering bastards that burned and raped across two continents! They butchered innocent women and children, Joe! You live with that; you see that.”
(Oh, MacLeod, you idiot.)
“I have. Vietnam. When we took out a village, we couldn’t tell the farmers from the soldiers. You think somehow the bullets managed to miss all the children?”
“This is different.”
“How?”
“Because he loved it. Because he had pleasure in killing.”
(*sighs* At the time, yes, he probably did, at least for a while. But just because he enjoyed it then, MacLeod, you fucking twit, doesn’t mean he still does. Or that he doesn’t regret that part of his life now. People. Change. And Methos is the ultimate survivor. He changes as he needs to in order to fit into the morals of the culture in which he lives. Even if other people who are rigid in their moral beliefs don’t like that he does so.)
Methos does love his fire. And it’s an effective tool in this case. And you can see the change in him, the calculated loosening of stance, the way he used the fire to manipulate the outcome, the annoyance in the gesture of throwing the belt of Cassandra’s coat after her into the water (his annoyance over all the shit he’s trying to cope with).
Also, Cassandra just. Can’t let the idea of “must kill them both/all” go. Which by itself, not necessarily a bad thing. But when expressed in front of Duncan “judge, jury, and executioner” MacLeod? Then it becomes a bad thing.
Cassandra needs therapy and a safe place. Kronos needs to be kept away from the rest of the world, and MacLeod needs to get the stick out of his ass.
*sighs*
Highlander liveblogging
Continuing from yesterday, starting with the scene where Methos returns to where Kronos is staying. Also known as Methos is a little shit, and Kronos demonstrates he is sometimes really blind to some nuances of human nature. Like, don’t ask Methos to kill his friends. It’s dangerous.
Below a cut because this is getting long. It has a lot of dialogue I like.
… And here is where I want to drop a nice anvil on MacLeod. Although this is another bit with some favored lines. Under cut for length.
Nope, more anvils. Joe does make things better.
(And I know there’s a lot missing, because all this is transcribing is the dialogue, and the actions and everything do add nuance.)
“Joe, you can’t defend it.”
“I’m not defending it. I’m trying to understand it.”
“What’s there to understand? When he rode into a village, there was life. When he rode out, there wasn’t.”
“No. You weren’t there. Different times, MacLeod. Different rules, different morals. You can’t compare it.”
“I won’t compare it, and I can’t excuse it.”
“Yeah. How many men have you killed? How much blood have you shed in anger?”
“No. No. I know what I’ve done, and I live with it. But I’m telling you, this is different.”
“What the hell are you talking about?”
“I’m talking about a bunch of murdering bastards that burned and raped across two continents! They butchered innocent women and children, Joe! You live with that; you see that.”
(Oh, MacLeod, you idiot.)
“I have. Vietnam. When we took out a village, we couldn’t tell the farmers from the soldiers. You think somehow the bullets managed to miss all the children?”
“This is different.”
“How?”
“Because he loved it. Because he had pleasure in killing.”
(*sighs* At the time, yes, he probably did, at least for a while. But just because he enjoyed it then, MacLeod, you fucking twit, doesn’t mean he still does. Or that he doesn’t regret that part of his life now. People. Change. And Methos is the ultimate survivor. He changes as he needs to in order to fit into the morals of the culture in which he lives. Even if other people who are rigid in their moral beliefs don’t like that he does so.)
Highlander liveblogging
Continuing from yesterday, starting with the scene where Methos returns to where Kronos is staying. Also known as Methos is a little shit, and Kronos demonstrates he is sometimes really blind to some nuances of human nature. Like, don’t ask Methos to kill his friends. It’s dangerous.
Below a cut because this is getting long. It has a lot of dialogue I like.
… And here is where I want to drop a nice anvil on MacLeod. Although this is another bit with some favored lines. Under cut for length.
“Going somewhere?”
“You shouldn’t be here.”
“What are you running from? The question or the answer?”
“There is no answer, MacLeod. Let it be.”
“Is what she said true?”
“I’m outta here.”
“No. No you’re not, you’re not out of here. Is what she said true?”
“It’s… The times were different, MacLeod, I was different, the whole bloody world was different, ok?”
(And MacLeod looks all stoically angry and trying to be threatening, and all I want to do is seriously hit him in the face with a baseball bat. Dude, get over yourself, you are not judge and jury.)
“Did you kill all those people?”
“Yes. Is that what you want to hear? Killing was all I knew; is that what you want to hear?”
“It’s enough.”
(And still with the judgey face, and you’re annoying Methos, and he has enough shit from Kronos to put up with, and you’re not giving him any way to get out of where he is, and he can’t tell you because he knows you won’t give a damn, and fuck you, MacLeod.)
“No. It is not enough. I killed. But I didn’t just kill fifty, I didn’t kill a hundred. I killed a thousand, I killed ten thousand. And I was good at it. And it wasn’t for vengeance. It wasn’t for greed. It was because I liked it. Cassandra was nothing. Her village was nothing. Do you know who I was? I was Death.”
(And there’s pushing MacLeod over the edge, yes, Methos, you are a little shit, we all know this, and you are looking for an escape from Kronos, and you don’t know if you want to send MacLeod in a righteous fury against Kronos or have him kill you, and either will do, won’t it?)
"Death. Death on a horse. When mothers warned their children the monster would get them, that monster was me. I was the nightmare that kept them awake at night. Is that what you want to hear? The answer is yes. Oh, yes.”
Highlander liveblogging
Continuing from yesterday, starting with the scene where Methos returns to where Kronos is staying. Also known as Methos is a little shit, and Kronos demonstrates he is sometimes really blind to some nuances of human nature. Like, don’t ask Methos to kill his friends. It’s dangerous.
Below a cut because this is getting long. It has a lot of dialogue I like.
“So. You’re back.”
“What’d you think I’d do? Run and hide? Go somewhere you couldn’t find me?”
“No. You’re too smart for that. You know that I’d track you down, no matter how long it took. And then I’d kill you.”
“Well, it’s nice to feel wanted.”
“Not want. Need. A dozen times I tried to take up the old ways.”
(More dialogue that doesn’t interest me as much, Methos thinks he might be able to convince himself to kill Kronos, fails to do so, Kronos is amused, Methos stumbles back, disarmed (of his sword).)
"Don’t you understand? I’m not like that anymore; I… I’ve changed.”
“No. You pretended to. Maybe even convinced yourself you had. But inside you’re still there, Methos, you’re like me.”
(… Kronos, you gaslighting bastard. Hrumph. New viewing, with new knowledge, gain a new perspective, still enjoy the character, just want to hit him with a brick more. Lots more.)
“Not anymore.”
“No? Tell me you haven’t missed it.”
“The killing?”
“The freedom. The power. Riding out of the sun knowing you’re the most terrifying thing that they’ve ever seen. Knowing their gods and their weapons are useless against you. That you’re the last thing they’ll ever see; that’s what you are meant to be, Methos. Don’t fight it. Feel it.”
(Say hello to one of my favorite lines, and still is. I love the idea of it. I also know that if I were given the opportunity to do something like Kronos has in mind, I’d pass on it. Because what’s the point? Fear is nice, in small doses. Then it starts to get boring, and irritating.
and continuing with Kronos.)
“I’m going to do you a favor. You know Cassandra’s here.”
“We didn’t exactly exchange gifts.”
“Then you know she’ll kill you if she gets the chance. You never could bring yourself to take her head, could you? So I’m going to do it for you.”
“And in return?”
“You kill Duncan MacLeod.”
“But he’s my friend. He’s nothing to you; why?”
“Why? Because he’s your friend. Because you still have to prove yourself, and because you owe me!”
(Kronos, you are an abusive, gaslighting, controlling bastard. And you need hit with a brick. And the fun part is, from the flashbacks, he’s a slightly more reasonable person before Methos breaks up the Horsemen the first time. I keep thinking that one of the reasons he’s such a damned mess, beyond the fact that he’s a prop to show that MacLeod is a Good Guy, and Always Wins, is because Methos went to extremes to get rid of Kronos the first time because he couldn’t bring himself to give Kronos the mercy of death.)
Honestly in all of these stories these poetic white men who somehow end up immortal get so bored and miserable because they just sit in their mansion all day doing whatever it is they need to do in order to sustain their immortality and then they just throw lavish parties and organize orgies or whatever and then they’re like “why am I sad I eat three course meals and have at least one orgy daily what MORE could I POSSIBLY need??”
Like???? Damn go for a walk. Do you even KNOW your neighbors? Get a dog and take it to the park. Set up an elaborate fish tank. Go skiing like you’ve been alive for 200 years and you’ve spent 180 of it in your house looking at paintings and drinking wine with other rich assholes no wonder ur life sucks my man.
Buy a canoe.
this post was specifically targeting dorian grey.
Are you–are you SURE it was just Dorian? Because I thought a lot about Highlander version. 2′s moping for 6 television seasons.
… There’s reasons I don’t like
That Annoying TwitDuncan MacLeod. Everyone else is either forgettable or fun, but him. *quietly sits on the urge to strangle a character from a show that ended twenty years ago*I know, right? Thank god for Methos, Amanda, and Richie (and Joe!). They saved that show from being Duncan’s 90s angst blog.
So. Much.
Other than the Horsemen episodes (OMG, people change, and sometimes people you love aren’t always nice, and this makes me So. Mad…. *thwaps Duncan with a heavy stick* People change. People get better, deal with it, you over-honorable twit.), my favorite episodes are the two without Duncan anywhere near them in the 6th season.
Two of Hearts (which is where I get my “Susan Ivanova is Immortal, and just the latest lifetime of Katherine” headcanon), and whatever the hell the other one was called which was the Joe-and-Methos show. I would have loved more of a show like that. Joe and Methos snarking at each other, having adventures, slice-of-life sort of thing.
(Maybe too, a chance to see them develop Amy, Joe’s daughter into a primary character, and center the whole thing on the Watchers, instead of the Immortals? And thus have a show with a disabled protagonist and a female protagonist, and ok, still very white, but dude, it was the 90s, and they could have used that as a point to make it even better. *sighs*)
It’s been a good few years since i’ve seen the show, but i remember being so confused by Duncan being upset with Methos for having been an eeeevil marauder thousands of years ago.
It was THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO. Duncan is a measly three hundred to Methos’s five thousand (a number i strongly suspect is not accurate in the least) and has yet to learn that people can change over the course of time, some for the good, others for the bad. He never seemed to think less of Darius, and Darius didn’t even change of his own accord!
Ugh, the man was born with a stick of righteousness shoved so far up his ass it’s coming out the top of his head.
There were glimpses occasionally of a better version of the character, mostly in the books, but over all Duncan
MacLeod
was one of those insufferably annoying characters that had an incomprehensible timeline, knew too many famous people, and could always pull some new skill out of his ass to save the day all while looking down on those less ‘honorable’ then himself.
Fanon Duncan is usually better, and there is a frankly AWESOME recast/reboot thing here: Princes of The Universe: A Highlander Series Reboot by gigglingkat. That features the Duncan
MacLeod
we all deserve, among other excellent recasts.
*bookmarks that work for later perusal of more than the pretty pictures*
Methos has probably been saying he’s five thousand for at least three thousand years, if not more. Legends like that have a habit of not changing even after long periods of time, so Methos is – no doubt in my mind – far older than he claims. For various values of older.
And, yeah, I really don’t get Duncan’s upset, save as a byproduct of his being the protagonist and always getting to be right. Which. Dude. No. The man is not always right, because the man forgets the world isn’t binary, and can’t see past that binary thinking of his.
There’s a reason I don’t write him much, even from the point-of-view of others. I dislike him so much I tend to paint him as the bad guy… or I kill him. I have an AU I was recently rereading, and will probably play with again once I rewatch the show and also go reading up on Dracula again, in which Duncan is going to end up a head shorter, sooner or later. Or at least he was, though who knows how it will go if I rework it.
*coos and pets AU* Yeah, one of the big things in gigglingkat’s AU is that she changed the title and thus shifted the focus from Duncan to immortals in general. Duncan is still a driving force, but he’s a very different character and is capable of being wrong. The sun does not shine out his arse, lol. (Drop me a line once you have a chance to read it if you want to talk about it. ^_^)
I would adore it for that alone, but she also decided to give a viable REASON for the ‘holy ground’ rule, which always bugged the hell out of me.
There’s also some lovely scientific reasoning behind the existence of immortals, which is neat.
That fic you’re working on sounds interesting! Dracula is always interesting to read about!
It’s so good to see that idea, and I suspect I am going to enjoy the AU so much, when I get to reading it. 🙂 And applying science to Immortals and everything is fantastic.
*grins* Dracula is one of Kronos’s saner students, though he has his own issues, because Dracula, but still. (Dracula is very, very fond of certain new technologies, and has been playing with electronics and computers since their infancy, and is the source for Kronos’s security systems and electronic lab equipment in the AU.)
When I post any of it, it’s probably going to get the tag “au: the student”.
Honestly in all of these stories these poetic white men who somehow end up immortal get so bored and miserable because they just sit in their mansion all day doing whatever it is they need to do in order to sustain their immortality and then they just throw lavish parties and organize orgies or whatever and then they’re like “why am I sad I eat three course meals and have at least one orgy daily what MORE could I POSSIBLY need??”
Like???? Damn go for a walk. Do you even KNOW your neighbors? Get a dog and take it to the park. Set up an elaborate fish tank. Go skiing like you’ve been alive for 200 years and you’ve spent 180 of it in your house looking at paintings and drinking wine with other rich assholes no wonder ur life sucks my man.
Buy a canoe.
this post was specifically targeting dorian grey.
Are you–are you SURE it was just Dorian? Because I thought a lot about Highlander version. 2′s moping for 6 television seasons.
… There’s reasons I don’t like
That Annoying TwitDuncan MacLeod. Everyone else is either forgettable or fun, but him. *quietly sits on the urge to strangle a character from a show that ended twenty years ago*I know, right? Thank god for Methos, Amanda, and Richie (and Joe!). They saved that show from being Duncan’s 90s angst blog.
So. Much.
Other than the Horsemen episodes (OMG, people change, and sometimes people you love aren’t always nice, and this makes me So. Mad…. *thwaps Duncan with a heavy stick* People change. People get better, deal with it, you over-honorable twit.), my favorite episodes are the two without Duncan anywhere near them in the 6th season.
Two of Hearts (which is where I get my “Susan Ivanova is Immortal, and just the latest lifetime of Katherine” headcanon), and whatever the hell the other one was called which was the Joe-and-Methos show. I would have loved more of a show like that. Joe and Methos snarking at each other, having adventures, slice-of-life sort of thing.
(Maybe too, a chance to see them develop Amy, Joe’s daughter into a primary character, and center the whole thing on the Watchers, instead of the Immortals? And thus have a show with a disabled protagonist and a female protagonist, and ok, still very white, but dude, it was the 90s, and they could have used that as a point to make it even better. *sighs*)
It’s been a good few years since i’ve seen the show, but i remember being so confused by Duncan being upset with Methos for having been an eeeevil marauder thousands of years ago.
It was THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO. Duncan is a measly three hundred to Methos’s five thousand (a number i strongly suspect is not accurate in the least) and has yet to learn that people can change over the course of time, some for the good, others for the bad. He never seemed to think less of Darius, and Darius didn’t even change of his own accord!
Ugh, the man was born with a stick of righteousness shoved so far up his ass it’s coming out the top of his head.
There were glimpses occasionally of a better version of the character, mostly in the books, but over all Duncan
MacLeod
was one of those insufferably annoying characters that had an incomprehensible timeline, knew too many famous people, and could always pull some new skill out of his ass to save the day all while looking down on those less ‘honorable’ then himself.
Fanon Duncan is usually better, and there is a frankly AWESOME recast/reboot thing here: Princes of The Universe: A Highlander Series Reboot by gigglingkat. That features the Duncan
MacLeod
we all deserve, among other excellent recasts.
*bookmarks that work for later perusal of more than the pretty pictures*
Methos has probably been saying he’s five thousand for at least three thousand years, if not more. Legends like that have a habit of not changing even after long periods of time, so Methos is – no doubt in my mind – far older than he claims. For various values of older.
And, yeah, I really don’t get Duncan’s upset, save as a byproduct of his being the protagonist and always getting to be right. Which. Dude. No. The man is not always right, because the man forgets the world isn’t binary, and can’t see past that binary thinking of his.
There’s a reason I don’t write him much, even from the point-of-view of others. I dislike him so much I tend to paint him as the bad guy… or I kill him. I have an AU I was recently rereading, and will probably play with again once I rewatch the show and also go reading up on Dracula again, in which Duncan is going to end up a head shorter, sooner or later. Or at least he was, though who knows how it will go if I rework it.
Honestly in all of these stories these poetic white men who somehow end up immortal get so bored and miserable because they just sit in their mansion all day doing whatever it is they need to do in order to sustain their immortality and then they just throw lavish parties and organize orgies or whatever and then they’re like “why am I sad I eat three course meals and have at least one orgy daily what MORE could I POSSIBLY need??”
Like???? Damn go for a walk. Do you even KNOW your neighbors? Get a dog and take it to the park. Set up an elaborate fish tank. Go skiing like you’ve been alive for 200 years and you’ve spent 180 of it in your house looking at paintings and drinking wine with other rich assholes no wonder ur life sucks my man.
Buy a canoe.
this post was specifically targeting dorian grey.
Are you–are you SURE it was just Dorian? Because I thought a lot about Highlander version. 2′s moping for 6 television seasons.
… There’s reasons I don’t like
That Annoying TwitDuncan MacLeod. Everyone else is either forgettable or fun, but him. *quietly sits on the urge to strangle a character from a show that ended twenty years ago*I know, right? Thank god for Methos, Amanda, and Richie (and Joe!). They saved that show from being Duncan’s 90s angst blog.
So. Much.
Other than the Horsemen episodes (OMG, people change, and sometimes people you love aren’t always nice, and this makes me So. Mad…. *thwaps Duncan with a heavy stick* People change. People get better, deal with it, you over-honorable twit.), my favorite episodes are the two without Duncan anywhere near them in the 6th season.
Two of Hearts (which is where I get my “Susan Ivanova is Immortal, and just the latest lifetime of Katherine” headcanon), and whatever the hell the other one was called which was the Joe-and-Methos show. I would have loved more of a show like that. Joe and Methos snarking at each other, having adventures, slice-of-life sort of thing.
(Maybe too, a chance to see them develop Amy, Joe’s daughter into a primary character, and center the whole thing on the Watchers, instead of the Immortals? And thus have a show with a disabled protagonist and a female protagonist, and ok, still very white, but dude, it was the 90s, and they could have used that as a point to make it even better. *sighs*)
Honestly in all of these stories these poetic white men who somehow end up immortal get so bored and miserable because they just sit in their mansion all day doing whatever it is they need to do in order to sustain their immortality and then they just throw lavish parties and organize orgies or whatever and then they’re like “why am I sad I eat three course meals and have at least one orgy daily what MORE could I POSSIBLY need??”
Like???? Damn go for a walk. Do you even KNOW your neighbors? Get a dog and take it to the park. Set up an elaborate fish tank. Go skiing like you’ve been alive for 200 years and you’ve spent 180 of it in your house looking at paintings and drinking wine with other rich assholes no wonder ur life sucks my man.
Buy a canoe.
this post was specifically targeting dorian grey.
Are you–are you SURE it was just Dorian? Because I thought a lot about Highlander version. 2′s moping for 6 television seasons.
… There’s reasons I don’t like That Annoying Twit Duncan MacLeod. Everyone else is either forgettable or fun, but him. *quietly sits on the urge to strangle a character from a show that ended twenty years ago*
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