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awkwardnormalcy:

morgynleri:

@elegantmess-southernbelle and I were throwing around thoughts on who we’d like to see better as Clint Barton/Hawkeye than Jeremy Renner, and we thought well, if we’re recasting one, why not recast them all, and racebend them while we’re at it.

Lupita Nyong’o as Natasha Romanov/Black Widow

John Boyega as Steve Rogers/Captain America

Jason Mamoa as Clint Barton/Hawkeye

Daveed Diggs as Bruce Banner/Hulk

Idris Elba as Tony Stark/Iron Man

Djimon Hounsou as Thor

YES

I can agree with all of these except Cap. Why? 

For Cap, it’s because he was supposed to be modeled after the stereotypical American man in the 1940s. It never would have flown at the time. And, while we know the gov’t loved to perform inhumane experiments on non-Caucasian races at the time, I think we can agree that the typical 1940s thinking characters would never have agreed to risk turning anyone that wasn’t white into a super soldier. Even if they had, he’d not have been headlining in a USO show. They’d have either put him on the front lines immediately or locked him away from the public.

Bigotry. I know. But that’s how it was.

This is a fictional universe, and I don’t give a good goddamn about what would be “historically accurate” in a real-world context when I’m doing a re-cast of a superhero movie.

And no, for your information, we can’t agree that the typical 1940s thinking characters would have never agreed to using a black man in their super-soldier experiments. Because I can see it happening. I can see a black Captain America in a USO show, I can see him following much the same route as Steve Rogers as played by Chris Evans followed. Maybe you can’t because you don’t want to.

Doing this re-casting is about providing representation that doesn’t exist, and should exist. Putting people of color – and in this first set, particularly black people – front and center as the heroes. Roles they should not be shut out of because of the color of their skin and the pernicious racism of Hollywood.

And while I haven’t gotten to Captain America: The First Avenger in my recasting (Iron Man is done, The Incredible Hulk is currently waiting for me to find all the actors I’d like), when I do, I’m not keeping anyone white except the villains. Because there is a piece of “historical accuracy” that I can get behind.

I don’t care if you don’t like seeing Captain America recast as black. That’s on you. But don’t tell me I cannot do it because of “historical accuracy” in a fictional world. The only historical accuracy a fictional world has is that which the creators and the fans give it. And there is no reason not to cast Steve Rogers, Captain America, as black in a universe which has no single set canon.

-COUGHS MY FUCKING LUNGS OUT-

THIS IS ISAIAH BRADLEY, ARGUABLY THE ORIGINAL CAPTAIN AMERICA, DEFINITELY THE FIRST CAPTAIN AMERICA IN COMBAT BECAUSE THE ARMY DIDN’T WANT TO RISK ITS PRECIOUS WHITE POSTERBOY, CANONICALLY COVERED UP BY FICTIONAL HISTORY TO MAKE WAY FOR THE PRECIOUS WHITE POSTERBOY

YOU CAN’T FUCKING TELL ME SCIENTISTS WOULDN’T HAVE RISKED MAKING A BLACK MAN INTO A SUPERSOLDIER, THEY DID IT WITH SIX OF THEM AND ISAIAH WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO SURVIVED

I MEAN, EVEN IF THIS WASN’T COMIC CANON IT WOULD STILL BE RACIST TO IMPLY THERE WAS ABSOLUTELY NO WAY FOR BLACK SUPERSOLDIER TO EXIST IN THE 40′S BUT SINCE THIS DID HAPPEN YOU’RE BOTH RACIST AND WRONG ABOUT COMICS AND I CANNOT LET THAT STAND

THIS MAN SPAT IN HITLER’S FACE AND LIVED, TURNED DOWN AN OFFER OF RELATIVE SAFETY IF NOT ACTUAL RESPECT FROM THE NAZIS IN ORDER TO FIGHT FOR AN AMERICA WHICH HONESTLY HADN’T TREATED HIM ANY BETTER THAN THEY WOULD JUST BECAUSE HE BELIEVED HIS COUNTRY COULD DO BETTER

ISAIAH FUCKING BRADLEY DESERVES FUCKING BETTER THAN TO BE TOLD HIS STORY IS A NARRATIVE IMPOSSIBILITY

AND WHEN THEY MAKE A YOUNG AVENGERS MOVIE JOHN BOYEGA HAD BETTER PLAY HIS GRANDSON

(AND I DON’T WANT ANYONE TO THINK THAT I THINK THIS IS THE ONLY WAY A BLACK CAPTAIN AMERICA STORY COULD WORK, BECAUSE FOR STEVE ROGERS TO BE BLACK AND STILL BE THAT POSTERBOY WOULD BE FUCKING FASCINATING)

PLEASE I’M BEGGING EVERYONE TO READ THE TRUTH: RED WHITE AND BLACK BECAUSE ISAIAH BRADLEY DESERVES BETTER

I have an issue with the op’s post, in that there’s no need to recast the original characters as black if they were white, I get the whole white washing thing but I would rather you did this in the way that for example they did with spiderman, the new spiderman, miles, who is not peter, is black and that’s our black spiderman. Notice how the original black captain america there is also a different person. I don’t want people to re-race characters, but instead create new ones that can take up the superhero roles.

clint barton might be hawkeye, but another person who is black can be the new hawkeye, y’know?

I’m not saying to white wash but since these white superheros are already set in stone, make new ones afterwards to take their place and slowly make the changes.

Edit: My bad clint recasting seems to be more close to white then black up there, unless hes just a lighter color, but not white, but still you get what I’m saying.

I want new black superheros, not reworking the old ones

It’s from a bunch of movies based off of comic books, which means there is no “set in stone” canon.

Also, Nick Fury was white in the comics when he first showed up, and now anyone whose seen the movies as their first exposure to Nick Fury would expect him to be black.

Representation isn’t just about making new characters, it’s about re-imagining the ones we have, as well as creating new characters. Making a white character black doesn’t take away your representation when new white characters are being made all the fucking time. So changing some of those who have been white to black when doing something new isn’t going to mean white people have less – even if white people get all hot under the collar about it.

So, take your whining and go get some fresh air, maybe meet some new people, get some perspective. Because I don’t take kindly to your kind of ~just make new characters~ bullshit being shoveled all over my art.)